President Donald Trump rejected the environmental pressure embraced by many other major governments during an exchange with Bev Turner, arguing that fossil fuels remain the most powerful and least expensive energy source while criticizing the expansion of wind energy across parts of Europe.

Turner asked Trump why his approach differs from leaders who have made environmental concerns a major component of government policy.

The exchange came during a broader interview in which Trump discussed energy and the United Kingdom.

"You're very much an outlier on the planet, really, as a as a leader of a major country and economy that doesn't isn't troubled by that same pressure to save the planet. Why is that?" Turner asked.

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Trump responded by rejecting the premise behind that pressure and pointing to former President Barack Obama's travel aboard Air Force One while discussing carbon emissions.

"Well, I think it's been proven false, you know. It's been proven false. We had President Obama, and he talked about the carbon footprint and all, and then he'd hop into a 747, Air Force One, and he'd fly to Hawaii to play a round of golf, and fly back," Trump said.

Trump then dismissed the broader argument and turned to the role of fossil fuels in producing affordable energy.

"It's, no, it's it's all a big hoax. Fossil fuel is the most powerful, and it's the least expensive, and you can totally watch the environment. It's very safe," Trump said.

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The president contrasted fossil fuels with wind energy, focusing much of his criticism on the number of wind turbines he has seen while traveling in Scotland and England.

Trump has repeatedly criticized wind energy and its effects on landscapes during previous appearances in Scotland and other public remarks.

"I mean, they have windmills all over England. They have windmills all over Scotland," Trump said.

"You fly over Scotland; it's the most beautiful place in the world. And you fly; they have thousands of windmills."

Trump connected his observations to his golf properties in Scotland and Ireland.

He specifically mentioned Turnberry and Aberdeen in Scotland as well as Doonbeg in Ireland.

"I fly in a helicopter over to Turnberry, let's say, because we have Turnberry, we have Aberdeen, and we have one where you're going to have the in Ireland, as you know, it's so great," Trump said.

Trump also pointed to an upcoming golf tournament at his Doonbeg property while discussing what he described as a noticeable difference between Ireland and other parts of the United Kingdom.

"They're going to have the Irish Open there in a couple of weeks at my course, Doonbeg," Trump said.

"But actually, it's interesting, in Ireland you don't see that many windmills."

The president returned to Scotland and England, saying wind turbines have become a common part of the landscape when traveling through those areas.

"But when you fly over Scotland and you fly fly over the you know if you land in Heathrow, they have windmills all over the place," Trump said.

Trump concluded by challenging claims that wind power provides an environmental advantage.

His criticism focused on what he described as the environmental consequences of widespread turbine construction despite support for wind energy from environmental advocates.

"And it's so bad environmentally," Trump said. "You know, the environmentalists say, Oh, it's wonderful. It's it's a big hoax."

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