Lara Logan asked Dr. Timothy V. Shindelar to explain how internal resistance inside federal agencies can keep information from reaching top leadership.

“I asked you, how does this happen? And you said, this is what the rear guard does. Who is the rear guard? And what is the rear guard? The rear and how are they able to do this?”

Shindelar said the structure of federal departments allows entrenched networks to block oversight.

“When you run a complex organization, a large organization, if you don't want the boss to see things, you simply take care of it just doesn't get to their desk. It's just, I mean, when you have an organization of, say, 15 or 20,000 people, geographically dispersed across the nation, a broom sweeps only what it touches. And if you're not holding the broom, it's not sweeping.”

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He said loyalty among staff determines whether leadership’s directives are carried out.

“If you don't have a loyal crew, a loyal group of people that share your vision, then they can undermine you. And that's exactly what's occurring.”

Shindelar said the directives of both the President and the attorney general were ignored inside the Department of Justice.

“We have to believe that the President of the United States signs out a presidential policy directive, and he specifically says we're not going to tolerate this anymore. The attorney general signs out a memorandum that says, I'm an absolute lockstep with my boss, and we're going to fix the corruption that exists inside the department.”

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He said an assistant attorney rejected those directives.

“An assistant attorney says, I represent the United States of America, and I don't want you to investigate corruption that specifically involves The DOJ. Not only is it completely bereft. It's illegal.”

Logan said, “Well, these are the answers the American people want.” Shindelar replied, “Not want. They need.”

He said a whistleblower warned the acting Attorney General that Assistant US attorneys who had worked for Jack Smith needed to be investigated.

“But they didn't investigate him. They simply just let him go without any accountability.”

Logan said, “So they let them off the hook.”

Shindelar said, “They simply let them go.”

Logan pressed him on who issued the order.

“I know, but who that doesn't answer the question.”

Shindelar said, “Oh, that's the that was the acting assistant. They the acting Attorney General.”

Logan asked again who directly instructed it.

Shindelar said he did not yet have the name but would provide the disclosure.

Logan asked whether this pattern reflected the rear guard. Shindelar answered, “Absolutely.”

Logan asked him to define it.

“What is the rear guard? Can you explain that?”

Shindelar said, “The rear guard is a group of people that are ideologically driven to a particular point of view, and that point of view is not shared by the current administration.”

When asked whether it was organized, he said, “Of course it's organized.”

He identified it as the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency.

Logan asked what it was.

Shindelar said, “The CIGIE.”

He said the council was designed to oversee federal programs but failed in that responsibility.

“A system that was designed to ensure the programs and operations of the federal government were effective and efficient.”

He gave an example involving Elon Musk’s review of agency operations and said inspectors general had been silent.

Logan responded, “It was their job.”

Shindelar said, “It was not only their job. They failed at their job.”

Logan asked when the council was created.

Shindelar first referenced 1978, then corrected that the CIGIE itself was created in 2008.

Logan asked, “By?” Shindelar responded, “It was done in conjunction, the legislation was done in conjunction with Senator Grassley.”

Logan asked whether this occurred under President Obama.

Shindelar said yes and confirmed it was bipartisan.

Shindelar said the CIGIE functions as “an independent entity established in the executive branch to oversight, train, educate, and provide individual counsel for all inspectors general. It answers unto itself.”

Logan questioned how such an entity inside the executive branch could be independent of the President.

Shindelar said, “Because Congress established it as an independent entity inside the executive branch.”

Logan asked how it could avoid accountability to the President.

Shindelar said it was possible if one rejected the idea that the President controls the entire executive branch.

He said this reflects the administrative state.

Logan asked, “Unelected officials?”

Shindelar said, “Yes.” She asked whether the traditional idea of government by the people applied.

Shindelar said some refer to the Department of Justice as the “Department of just us” and described a two-tiered system.

Logan said this dual system applies broadly.

Shindelar agreed.

Logan said, “And you will live by these rules, but we won't. You will think you're making decisions, but we're really making them.”

Shindelar agreed and said the President believes he was elected to lead the country.

Logan said the public believes that as well.

Shindelar said the administrative state believes it answers to itself instead.

He said this dynamic is reinforced culturally.

Logan noted portrayals of presidents as irrelevant or foolish.

Shindelar said, “It's an insult,” before Logan added that such portrayals send a message.

Shindelar said they prepare the public to believe the President is not in charge.

Logan concluded, “And half the country is wrong.”

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When Lara Logan asked Dr. Timothy V. Shindelar, Colonel USMC (Ret.) and Federal Whistleblower, how this kind of subversion happens, he said, “This is what the rear guard does.”The rear guard, he says, is the loyal network inside federal agencies that controls what the boss sees… pic.twitter.com/vT7TRcHjtH

— Lara Logan (@laralogan) December 9, 2025

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