A black immigrant caller from Queens, New York, took radio host Charlamagne Tha God to task on Wednesday over his defense of Kamala Harris’ handling of the ongoing border crisis.

The exchange occurred during a discussion on “The Breakfast Club” radio show, where the caller, identified as Al, blamed Harris for the surge in illegal immigration, while Charlamagne argued that the issue goes beyond her policies.

The border crisis has been a focal point of the Biden-Harris administration, with over 7 million migrants attempting to cross the southern border since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris took office, according to Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data.

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Harris, tasked with addressing the root causes of migration, has faced criticism over the escalating situation, and Al made his case that she bears significant responsibility.

“Let me start off by saying I love you guys, man. I listen to you guys every morning. And I’m also a black man. I’m also an immigrant. But there are certain things that you guys are saying that Kamala wasn’t supporting or she wasn’t answering these questions, man,” Al said during the call. “I watched the same debate. When they spoke about immigrants, she’s half the reason that all these immigrants are in the state of New York or any state for that.”

Charlamagne, however, pushed back on the notion that Harris alone should be blamed for the border crisis, emphasizing that immigration has been a challenge for multiple administrations. “Listen, I don’t know why we put the blame on one person as if the border hasn’t been an issue for years under every administration. That’s why they were able to create a bipartisan bill that [former president] Donald Trump didn’t want to push through because he knew it would give the Democrats a win,” Charlamagne responded.

The bipartisan border bill in question, which was proposed during Trump’s administration, aimed to hire over $700 million worth of additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers and Border Patrol agents. However, the bill included a controversial provision that would have allowed the border to remain open if fewer than 5,000 migrants crossed per day.

Al wasn’t convinced that the proposed increase in Border Patrol agents would solve the issue. “But here’s the situation: even if he didn’t push the bill, giving more border patrol agents is not helping the situation that we are still allowing these people to come in,” Al countered. “You can get all the border patrols you want, but if the administration is allowing these immigrants to come in, giving them free flights to go anywhere across America, Border Patrol can’t do anything.”

The Biden-Harris administration has been under fire for its handling of the border crisis, with critics arguing that policies allowing for the transport of migrants to various U.S. cities have exacerbated the situation.

Kamala Harris was appointed in 2021 to lead efforts to address the root causes of migration, particularly from Central America. However, many voters remain skeptical of her approach.

A recent New York Times/Siena College poll found that over 50% of voters believe former President Trump would handle immigration better than Harris.

As the debate over the border continues, the administration faces mounting pressure to address the crisis while balancing the demands for immigration reform.

The heated exchange between Al and Charlamagne reflects the broader national conversation surrounding immigration policy and the Biden-Harris administration’s inability to effectively manage the crisis.

Listen to the exchange:

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