Democratic pollster Jefrey Pollock appeared on MSNBC to discuss the results of a poll which showed many Americans were unconcerned with President Trump’s relationship with Russia.

Host Chuck Todd asked Pollock if he was surprised that the issue did not move many voters.

“It does surprise me and the reason that we think — and we don’t know for sure, but Russia is not seen as the kind of evil that ISIS and some of the other sort of threats that Americans feel sort of much more resonant about,” said Pollock.

Watch the clip above to see his inexplicable surprise.